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Reading Tarkovsky’s diaries once again, it’s interesting to me to read that at one stage he considered a sequel to Stalker. The proposed continuation would see the Stalker turning into a messianic figure, forcibly dragging people to the wishing room. Can, Tarkovsky wonders, people be thus bullied into happiness?

The stalker would become a ‘votary’ and ‘fascist’ (Tarkovsky’s labels).

Of course, this idea was not pursued – perhaps Andrey realised that such contradictions are already implied within the thematic narrative of Stalker. Best to leave the resonance and the questioning to the audience…

Such a concept, especially the religious dimension show the great difference between Tarkovsky and the Strugatsky brothers, of whom he notes, amusingly, that one is very clever and the other very… hardworking. Before quickly catching himself, ‘Well, things are not as simple as that’. Both men he describes as likeable and their relations seem to have been good.

As for Tarkovsky himself, as for his diaries, I remember why I have not read them in so long; the man and his own story seem encompassed by the Zone. A man should live in isolation, he notes, close to animals and nature. And yet, such is not the case for him. He is close only to the telephone. Isolated by distance he frequently misses his loved ones intensely.

The diaries as a whole, as a piece, as a story – revolve around waiting for that dreadful phone to ring; to give the green light to a project, to vindicate his work, to allow him freedom, travel – or to summon him at once before the Committee, the critical Party of whom he has such regular nightmares. Communication so often breaks down, attempts to organise filming and its logistics, or even simply a stay with Bergman, that the phone (or the letter) becomes entirely untrustworthy and unreal.
The emphasis that the diaries place on this cannot be accidental – the phone (in all its forms) becomes the God that Tarkovsky wrestles with and defines himself against – never quite answering that most Bergmanian of questions; what is worse, God’s silence or the terrifying realisation of His voice?


Date: 2009-12-14 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoshagownozad.livejournal.com
as for brothers... my own impression - based on their solo writings - is that they both were quite clever, but Arkady was far much softer and less hopeless conflict generating author (and maybe person too), more emotional, while Boris (who is still alive) was much more "desperate" towards the human nature, less forgiving and more logical and "cold" compared to his elder brother.

Therefore I feel like Tarkovsky should be closer to Boris than to Arkady...

Date: 2009-12-14 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
well, that makes sense from what i have read - but of course Tarkovsky was writing many years ago and both Arkady and Boris no doubt developed a lot through the years, certainly City is quite a shift for Boris (if i am remembering right?).
I hope to read more by hem quite soon.

Tarkovsky's diaries are very compelling, but not an 'easy' read.

Date: 2009-12-14 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoshagownozad.livejournal.com
You are right (if you mean City beoynd the River/ grad obrechenny/)- it has a lot of Boris' point of view, as well as "03", 'Second invasion from Mars" and maybe "A Snail on the Slope". Boris' solo "Searching for destination" completed in few years after Arkady's death is so dull and hopeless that I can not digest it at all.

Date: 2009-12-14 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
yes, even in a bad translation i enjoyed grad obrechenny but i have heard mixed opinions of the other later works compared to the collaborations.

Date: 2009-12-14 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoshagownozad.livejournal.com
it all of course in the eyes of the reader:))) and in the soul of the reader... I am not a fan of their solo works - as for me neither AN nor BN never could match their collaborative potential working alone.
But they were my joy and pleasure and a sectret place for retreat, I'd say, but still without loosing connection with reality - and they actually put a lot into me - great and strong thing as much as weak and delusious, but they really do mean a lot for me :)))

and I'm afraid of Tarkovski movies :(((
so strange... so painful...

Date: 2009-12-14 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
yes - the diaries have a similar effect, beautiful yet mundane, mysterious and full of pain... and of course all diaries, so personal - i always feel a bit guilty!

Date: 2009-12-14 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reginaclarejane.livejournal.com
Hmm... sounds really interesting!
:)

Date: 2009-12-14 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
oh yes! :))

Date: 2009-12-14 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avosurt.livejournal.com
God’s silence is good, its - means you can talk))

is his diaries translated - into English?

Date: 2009-12-14 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
:))

and yes, the diaries are in English, a very nice edition. :))

Date: 2009-12-14 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avosurt.livejournal.com
I just saw the movie. no other)

Date: 2009-12-14 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kodzujoro.livejournal.com
do you think Tarkovsky defined himself against God? really? and Bergman? i thought Bergman had very complicated relations to God, all time (remember his God-spider?). So it's very intersting seaching. Thank you. This problem is very close me, i mean God's silens, sometimes i think God is only obsever like some sientist-naturalist observes wild world, you know, and doesnt interfere in natural selection.

Date: 2009-12-15 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
yes, i think both men had much in common - the exploration, a spiritual search. Tarkovsky's zone has something in common with the city in Bergman's The Silence, i think.

And just as Bergman could dread the Spider God (it's in Persona also) so too Tarkovsky and the sense of dread within the Wishing Room... and the sheer alien-ness of the Solaris entity.

Just as the spider may come from the woodwork for poor Karin, so the dreadful phone can ring in Stalker and without warning or logic.

Ultimately i would say that Tarkovsky and Bergman despite their ambivalence (expressed through lost and wandering and/or damaged characters) are ultimately looking for contact and healing. Tarkovsky sees this is being paramount for humanity as much as any individual.

Of course the works contain more than this - i don't intend a reductionist reading. And the saddest part of Tarkovsky's early death is that his dialog was cut short - Bergman was privileged to be able to use film as a means to wail, celebrate, and contemplate even into old age.

and doesnt interfere in natural selection.

Date: 2009-12-15 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
an occasional score-card and commentary might be nice though! :))

Date: 2009-12-16 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alek-morse.livejournal.com
I'd say that Tarkovsky's Stalker is the story told by another witness...
Roughly speaking, in the Strugatsky brothers' prose there is much from Hemingway stoutness of life (even Redrick's pages).

Tarkovsky wraped the story in pseudo-documentary cover (scenes with Alice). Sometime it is seemed that story is told by Writer, sometimes by Professor, sometime by Stalker. But a true witness is above all ;)
anyway, I see such concept :)

Date: 2009-12-16 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
//stoutness of life (even Redrick's pages).//
yes, well put - the Brothers and their attitudes are much more robust and pragmatic than Tarkovsky and the protagonist of his film.

//that story is told by Writer, sometimes by Professor, sometime by Stalker.// yes a trinity of voices, each a part of Tarkovsky himself i feel.



Date: 2009-12-16 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alek-morse.livejournal.com
// yes a trinity of voices, each a part of Tarkovsky himself i feel. //

:))

actually, Tarkovsky could use any other chapter/part (and characters) from the novel.

Date: 2009-12-17 04:44 pm (UTC)
med_cat: (Holmes thoughtful)
From: [personal profile] med_cat
Hm....very interesting; I've read the book but not seen the film, although I've heard that it is good.

Date: 2009-12-17 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
you've read Roadside Picnic?? Such a good book - and Tarkovsky's film is wonderful.
i've written about Stalker (aka Zone) elsewhere in my lj just because it always blows me away (like Solaris also). :))

Date: 2009-12-17 06:52 pm (UTC)
med_cat: (Watson bookworm)
From: [personal profile] med_cat
Read all of Srugatsky brothers' books...not seen "Solaris" either, but it's one of my husband's favourite films ;)

Date: 2009-12-17 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
Oh then i hope you get the chance to watch it sometime soon :))

(always nice to see a Solomin icon btw!)

Date: 2009-12-17 06:57 pm (UTC)
med_cat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] med_cat
Oh, I'll watch it sometime, I'm sure...I've always been more for reading than movies ;)

Icon was made by kcscribbler--you are most welcome to use it but please credit her if you do ;) She's done many other icons from the Russian SH series--look in her LJ ;)

Cheers,
Cat

Date: 2009-12-17 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
it's ok, i never use other people's icons - i just like to look at them. charleygirl has some epic Granada icons and Alek Morse has some nice Livanov series images, just as an example.

Hmm... i might have to dig out my laughing solomin pic again...

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