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Just finished reading the wonderful 'Wind, Sand and Stars'. What a book!

That Saint-Exupery manages to tell both an internal and external story so powerfully and vividly and yet straight-forwardly is quite staggering.

One question; during the crash chapter (my favourite) i found that the distances measured made no sense, especially if you try and plot them on a map of Libya, just impossible (surely) to walk the miles under those conditions?

Maybe it was the translation, or just the mens' delirium...

I'm going to do some research but does anyone know?

It didn't detract in any way from the book which i strongly recommend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind,_Sand_and_Stars
 
My next book to read is The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov... 

Date: 2010-01-18 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rezoner.livejournal.com
Yes, that's one of the best. I know it by the name of "Land of men". What was exactly the sourse of your confusion with the distances?

If you read M&M in English, then try to find Natalya Ginsburg's translation.
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Date: 2010-01-18 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
ha ha! Yes, 'tall tales' indeed! But God, what a fabulous spirit in that man and in that book! And... what a writer!:))

Date: 2010-01-18 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rezoner.livejournal.com
You should also read Night flight and Southern mail. Those are more like a regular fiction, and very, very good.

Date: 2010-01-18 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
thanks, i'll add them to my reading list :))

Date: 2010-01-18 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
'Land of Men' that is actually very apt. As to the distances, the measurements were contradictory a few yards one minute and 150 miles the next. To walk 150 miles in a couple of days under those conditions - especially when the men kept splitting off and chasing mirages... well. But i am not questioning the veracity of the story or the incident.
Unfortunately i have given the boo back to a friend so i can't check again - but i intend to bbuy a copy ASAP!

Date: 2010-01-18 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
given the booK back!

Date: 2010-01-18 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rezoner.livejournal.com
Does not look feasible to me, too. Well... you know how we all like to exaggerate :))

Date: 2010-01-18 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
sorry, my typing whilst avoiding the soup on my desk = terrible :(

Date: 2010-01-18 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoshagownozad.livejournal.com
I love that book. I LOVE IT. I was reading it not in Russian (neither in French alas) but in Ukrainian which is really more softer than Russian text (I managed later to compare), closer, I believe, to an initial tone of Saint-Ex...

How do I love it.
It's a big part of my early teenage - this book.

Wish you success in researches!

Date: 2010-01-18 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
oh it was wonderful, so full of energy and life :))

Date: 2010-01-18 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rottenshworz.livejournal.com
In my opinion he is too flashy. But that's my problem, because I happen to dislike poetry in almost any form possible.
His Pilote de Guerre (Flight to Arras) goes much better for me.

And about Bulgakov - I don't know, is there any translation of his "роковые яйца" weird science fiction thriller. That's almost like "aliens", but with giant cannibal snakes, crocodiles and killer ostriches, bred by mistake on some soviet farms.
Too sad, Bulgakov has to edit scene of invasion to Moscow out by political motives. That's a real soviet old school kind of dieselpunk as I like it.

роковые яйца

Date: 2010-01-18 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
i'll find out - sounds bloody brilliant! :))

and hello!

not as brilliant as you think...

Date: 2010-01-18 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rottenshworz.livejournal.com
...comparing with M&M, it's just a little plain story. For good punk-trash it must be more free in author's imagination - which were strictly forbidden in the time and country of it's origin.

Re: not as brilliant as you think...

Date: 2010-01-18 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
it'll be interesting to see what i make of it.
LOL - my reading list is HUGE right now!

Date: 2010-01-18 09:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliasse.livejournal.com
Oh my GARD! You haven't read it! Oh my GARD! It's just so todally YOU! Now I want to post a chapter of Ploom Mountain (the children's novel that I haven't posted for ages) which has a black cat in it, so that you can see how utterly I have ripped off the black cat from TM&M.

Also this; have you read this? *hyperventilates with eagerness* Every time I pick it up I think of you. It's called 'The Pendragon Legend' by the author of my current fave nov ('Journey by Moonlight') Antal Szerb. It's just todally todally YOU! If I knew where you lived *not menacing* I'd send it to you. If I addressed it 'wytchcroft, oop north', would you get it?

Also, I'm ready for any movement towards the cigarette.

Date: 2010-01-18 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
nope never read it - it's a gap, yes...

and i haven't read The Pendragon Legend either!

oh gosh!

*moves with surprising speed*...

Date: 2010-01-18 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliasse.livejournal.com
*laughs as wytchcroft plunges down into Johnny-Weismuller-era-Tarzan-style pit (though hopes it was a reasonably soft landing)*

Date: 2010-01-18 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
you are forgetting my deep friendship with cheeta.

*whistles*

oh - crap, i forgot cheeta smokes. damn...

got a light?

Date: 2010-01-18 11:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
language Timothy!

Date: 2010-01-19 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stoshagownozad.livejournal.com
AAAAAAAA! "Pendragon Legend" is a great thing tooo! Everything goes completely messy in five minutes... and this dark Hungarian humor!!!!

Date: 2010-01-19 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
wow - i really need to read this! :))

Date: 2010-01-19 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliasse.livejournal.com
This makes me laugh so much:
"Doctor, you're like the Encyclopaedia Britannica. You know everything.:
"I do know rather a lot," I replied nervously.
"I believe you even speak Sanskrit."
"Fluently," I replied. But she believed that too.
"And you must surely know the Russian novelists. Tell me something about Dostoevsky or Bela Bartok. I've a friend who never stops talking about them."
"I never met Bartok," I said untruthfully, shocked at her ignorance. "But I knew old Dostoevsky really well. He and my father were at primary school together, and he often came for supper."
"How lucky you are, to have known such famous people as a child. I'm sure you could even tell me why Aix-La-Chapelle is called Aachen in German."

I like to think that someone actually said some of these things in real life to Szerb.

Date: 2010-01-19 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
well, i'm a private person - i don't like to brag you know.

Date: 2010-01-19 11:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliasse.livejournal.com
Stop it. Szerb died in the 1940s. Unless you mean 'private' as in 'dead' and 'brag' as in 'make ghostly visitations via lj'. ooooooooooo!

Date: 2010-01-19 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
ah you forget - i am everywhere and nowhere, spread across time itself like butter - no, PEANUT butter - no, wait, like humus! Or... toothpaste maybe or... a slug trail... no more of a - *wafts away into the aether*


Date: 2010-01-18 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
*to borrow cigarette*

puff - puff

that's better. Uh, i could send you my mailing address but i can probably order the book just as quickly.

puff - puff

i'll let you know (?)... and more Plume Mountain is only ever a good, good thing. :))

Date: 2010-01-18 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aliasse.livejournal.com
How's about this for a convincing cigarette-smoker's sound? - chkar chkar! (Germanic 'ch' of course).

Date: 2010-01-18 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
You should think about having those removed. You'll sleep better i swear.

Date: 2010-01-19 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebeccawilde.livejournal.com
Hmmm, I'm in book mode again. I fancy checking this one out. Will let you know my thoughts.

Date: 2010-01-19 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
actually i was going to recommend you read these;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Devil-Amber-Lucifer-Box-Novel/dp/0743483804/ref=pd_sim_b_1

i got them for xmas - and even with the flu i still enjoyed them :))

Date: 2010-01-19 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebeccawilde.livejournal.com
Oh, thanks for that!

Looks right up my street. :-)



Date: 2010-01-19 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
i thought so when i read them :))

Date: 2010-02-02 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebeccawilde.livejournal.com
I brought the book today! :-)

Date: 2010-02-02 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
huzzah! :))

total offtopic

Date: 2010-01-22 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rottenshworz.livejournal.com
check this out:

ara!

Date: 2010-01-22 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wytchcroft.livejournal.com
Отлично!
Спасибо:))

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